How to Get Published: Advice From the Other Side

quotescover-JPG-25Since I began admitting that little ol’ me was writing a book, a funny thing happened. Other people started telling me that they wanted to write books too. I quickly realized what I was getting myself into. EVERYBODY wants to write a book. Only a fraction of those people get around to finishing their masterpiece (because writing is actually kinda hard), and only a fraction of that fraction get published.

Recently, Greg Bardsley, an author friend of mine (whether he agrees to it or not), took time out of his busy schedule to help me with a few questions I had about attracting agents/publishers, as I creep ever closer to writing my new two favorite words in the entire history of the world, THE END.

finalcover_withps_shadowIn July, 2011, Greg received the news from his agent that ALL aspiring novelists want to hear. He was going to get published. And not by just anyone, but by Harper Perennial, an imprint of Harper Collins. Since then his book Cash Out has garnered countless rave reviews from everywhere including The New York Times, Publishers Weekly, and The Los Angeles Review of Books. His writing style is fresh, twisted, and funny as hell. It’s easy to see how he got to where he is today, and it’s fair to say I’m pretty stoked for the release of his second book, next year.

BUT, Greg didn’t get to where he is today by sitting on his ass waiting for a published to fall out of the sky and onto his book:

He has worked as a Silicon Valley speechwriter, a newspaper reporter and a global communications leader. His ghostwriting for high-profile business executives has appeared in Newsweek, USA Today, and the Financial Times. His award-winning short fiction has appeared in numerous journals and anthologies. His debut novel, Cash Out, was listed by The New York Times as one of five notable novels written about Silicon Valley.

A lot of rumors circulate writing communities about just what it takes to get published. Hopeful novelists will chuck around advice ranging from “Create a buzz,” to “Get your name out there,” to “Dance around a wishing well in the rain on the third Wednesday after the Winter Solstice.”

Sorting through some of the vague and downright counterproductive tips can be tough, which is why I flagged Greg down to cut through some of the bullshit and into the proverbial publishing meat. His answers were incredibly eye-opening, which is why I figured some of YOU might want to get in on the goods too.  cropped-newbanner2014bSo, with no further ado, meet Greg Bardsley, author of Cash Out, the upcoming novel, The Bob Watson.

Welcome to Scribbles on Cocktail Napkins, Greg!

Thanks, Jenny. … By the way, that Winter Solstice dance doesn’t work (I learned that the hard way).

We met through a mutual friend, Mark Richardson, author of Hunt for the Troll. You both live in California, right? How do you two know each other?

gregYeah, I live near San Francisco. I met Mark a long time ago. We were both on the communications team at a large technology company in Silicon Valley, and we started up a defacto writers’ support group with another writer there, Al Riske. The three of us spent a lot of lunch hours talking about writing fiction, and helping each other with our stories and manuscripts. We’re still great friends—and each of us has since become a published author. Seeing our books in print has been satisfying. But really, the best part was growing with Mark and Al, and having so much fun along the way, and just the friendship.

One thing I’ve noticed about the writing community since I stepped out of my comfort zone is how eager writers seem to be to help each other out. Why do you think forming an alliance is a good idea?

I think that, as writers, we’re already putting ourselves out there, so we know how great it feels to have a little support along the way.

The crime and noir community is super supportive. I hear from friends who veer more into literary and general fiction genres, and it seems like those areas can be a lot more distant and indifferent, and very clubby. I am not sure why the crime/mystery/pulp writing scene is more inclusive, but it seems to be just that, which is really cool. Even though my books fall more into the satire and general-fiction category, I still get a ton of support from many of these good souls.

quotescover-JPG-77I didn’t plan it this way—it just happened. I would place a short story with a zine or a journal, and then I’d really get a kick out of the other stories. We all reached out to each other, and some really strong friendships (and writing partnerships) were borne. We are all still pretty tight. In hindsight, I realize now that these bonds enriched the whole experience (not to mention my writing), and opened the door to finding the right agent and even my publisher.

So I often say the same thing established authors told me back in the day: Get involved, be real, do selfless things for your writing buds (without expecting reciprocation), have a blast, learn from each other, and create a new group of “up and comers.” Read each other’s unpublished manuscripts; get your stories into the same journals and zines, if you can, and maybe even produce an anthology or yearly zine with them. If you all produce some good work, have fun and support each other, one side effect might be that there’ll be a “buzz” around your work. Astute agents (and even some publishers) will notice. Even if the buzz doesn’t happen, you’ve had a lot of fun, you’ve grown and you’ve made life-long friendships.

If you all come up together as writers, you’ll do anything for each other.

I’ve heard that terminology before: create a buzz. How exactly could a buzz translate into a book deal?

I am not sure if it does. But it can help. I know if you really do have a buzz (you’re getting anthologized, you’re getting recognized for your shorts, maybe you’re winning a few awards, or have lots of readers on your blog), you can use that as a selling point to agents, and they can do the same to publishers.

For me, it was the short stories. You could take chances with shorts, and you could get reactions from readers much sooner than with a book—and I met all these great people.

untitled2One such person was Anthony Neil Smith, the editor of Plots with Guns. He was a big supporter and eventual mentor, and PwG had a passionate following. Long story short, over the course of years, one of Neil’s good friends introduced me to his agent, who later would represent my third try at a novel, Cash Out. Neil also told me about Cal Morgan at Harper Perennial, who also had a short story zine called 52 Stories. Neil suggested I submit some stories to Cal; and that’s how I got my writing in front of Cal (he didn’t accept any of my stories, but he liked them). A few years later, when Cash Out was ready for submission, my agent David Hale Smith came up with a great list of editors, but he still asked me if there were any other editors we should pitch to. I thought of Cal—DHS happened to know Cal and included him in the initial pitch to six editors. Out of those first six submissions, we had two takers—Penguin and Harper. We went with Cal and Harper. Anyways, none of this (getting DHS, landing with Harper) would have happened, had it not been for my amazing group of friends and mentors.

The one thing I notice is that sometimes people fail to understand is how long it can take (if it ever happens). People want the book deal to happen now. But in reality, it almost never happens on your timeline. People get super bummed out. They are devastated. Hell, it’s a fucking jungle. Tough sledding. Whatever euphemism you want to use. That’s why I advise people to diversify their emotional investments in terms of writing—do shorts, create a zine, be sure you grow as a writer, be sure you’re having fun. quotescover-JPG-34 Try not to think about book deals. In most cases, it’s really premature. Focus on the craft—the writing, the stories, the growth. Keep working. It will take years and years and years—and then more years. And statistically, the odds are still against all of us. So, be sure that you’ll be okay if you never get a book deal. Be sure that you’ve had an amazing adventure regardless of what happens.

And at the end of the day, the thing that will get you a deal is writing a great book.

Is having a buzz around your work what worked for you?

“Buzz” did not land me a deal. But it might have encouraged people to read the first few pages of my manuscript. After that, the only thing that was going to get me a deal was an editor “falling in love with the book.”

After more than 15 years and three manuscripts, I finally made it work. That’s the part (decades of trying, several failed books that will never be published) that makes some aspiring writers go pale. The reality is, very few published novelists get their first manuscript published.

But like so many others, I just have to write fiction. It’s just too much fun.

Greg gave us a rare glimpse to the other side of writing. Yes, many people want to write a book. It’s a saturated market. BUT, even though it might be difficult, getting that elusive deal is possible. Stick with it. Enter short story contests with clout. Get published in literary magazines. And, even though the words might be a bit cliché, they mean something . . .  so, stir up a buzz, dammit.



12 thoughts on “How to Get Published: Advice From the Other Side

  1. Perhaps I’m naïve but I don’t get the point of the maybe wait a decade for an agent/publisher scenario when self-publishing is a viable option? The writing for fun, the keeping at it, in all the ways you can, I do get. Perhaps it’s a where you are at in your life thing, I’m not sure I’ve got a decade left in me! Good to hear from you again Jenny and Happy New Year to you and yours. Eric.

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    • Hello again, Eric!
      There are pros and cons no matter which route you take. I’ve heard a rule of thumb amoung self published authors is to wait until you have three titles to begin promoting them. On the other hand, who has that kind of time? If I get a book deal I’ll probably go that way, and if not I’m also open to doing it myself.
      Greg did things his way and found success, and I love finding out how people achieved their goals to learn from their accomplishments.

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    • Hey Eric … Thanks for the thoughts. …. I am not saying it’s good to wait for a decade. I am saying, finally writing a book that is publishable could require several tries with several books, all of which can take more time than we normally planned. It’s not about “waiting”; it’s about working to get better, etc., which can take time … As for self-publishing vs. agent/publisher, I have been lucky to see my work improve immeasurably thanks to working with true full-time pros with my books. And there is the advantage having a sales department, marketing team, publicity team, design team, editing team working for and with you. .. I was never interested in self-publishing; not only is that market saturated with millions of books that very few people will read, I also wanted to earn that third-party validation that my work had reached a standard. … If you feel like you don’t feel like you’ve got a decade in you, have you considered short stories? Hope this is helpful.

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      • Hi Greg … thanks for your response … I think I simply had a different take on ‘publishable’ …and can see your point of view now. You got me thinking last night (I’m in the UK) that short stories are the way forward for me … indeed the story I’ve been working on a while I suspect could work well at say 30k and become lets say ‘tiresome’ at 80k. I tend to write in disconnected ‘scenes’ and looking back through the 200k or so words I have there are plenty scenes that could be polished into stand alone 1000 to 10,000 word stories. I’ve enjoyed the few Flash Fiction challenges I’ve done too, and the immediacy of the 5 to 15 line poetry I blog. Yes … shorts for me … methinks. Thanks again Greg and to you Jenny … as ever thought provoking.

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  2. Great post, JA. There’s no questioning the difficulty we face attracting an agent’s attention / interest. What I’m looking forward to, is your success story. Have you reached those two final words, BTW?

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    • They’re coming!
      Slowly but surely. I’m working on a couple short story competitions right now, and finishing critiquing something for a good friend of mine. I’m aiming for the end of January with this draft! Thanks for the note, T. E. 🙂


    • Writing a book and eventually getting it published really is a long game. It’s almost like having children, in a way. By the time a budding author realizes exactly what they’ve gotten themselves into… a lot of times it’s part the point of no return. It might be something they never would have started if they knew how tough it would be… but also something to be so proud of once they’ve finished.

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      • I understand what everyone is saying, but I feel that things are very much different in the USA that here in England. I tried for over seven years to get an agent just to get close to a publisher and I found it as hard as looking for a Unicorn, but more expensive. To wait sometimes up to three months for a reply of rejection s taking the status of the Agents too high.
        I had no choice through lack of finance e published on the e book format, and by luck I fell into a publisher and editor at the same time. Although they take a cut of my royalties I do not feel that they are exploiting me. It is purely business and at least my stories are being read here and now while i am still alive. There are millions of writers out there in the world with each one hoping to be the next J K Rowling or Danial Steel I can say with confidence that I will not be with the many millions of disappointed writers.
        Before I even had the first story published I had eighteen already written. I believe that a writer has to have a very good story to make the big time in today’s reading society and even then he/he has to follow with the same standard on the second, but faster.
        J A Allen it was a very good post you have written with friends. All that matters is that if it works for you then you are doing it right. Be Well.

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